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  No One Should Be Made to Choose…..LIES from July 09 Awake

  by Hopscotch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

  in the july 2009 awake p29:

  no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

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  Hobo Ken

  Rutheeker> thankyou.

  Colton> their double standards, lies and rank hypocrisy has been evident from day one.

  Dogon& others you are entitled to your views but please be a bit more sensitive to other's faith in the man Jesus. Also it's off topic.

  To get back to the topic , this Awake may have an impact or it may not.

  Either the statement that "no one should have to choose between family and their beliefs" is now official wts policy or it is not.

  Which is it to be?

  Either the witnesses accept this and act accordingly to everyone INCLUDING those jw family who have left or,

  they accept that it's not official wts policy and is in fact a very sick piece of public relations spin doctoring.

  I propose that evey ex jw on this forum contact their friends and family and form a similar letter to mine and see what happens.

  Outcome?

  Perhaps they get some contact they didn't have before or,

  perhaps they start to see how this organization really operates.

  There is not much stronger than the smell of BS mixed with hypocrisy.

  H.K.
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  No One Should Be Made to Choose…..LIES from July 09 Awake

  by Hopscotch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

  in the july 2009 awake p29:

  no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

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  Hobo Ken

  Thanks Boyzone! Lol for the ministry school vibe there.

  I don't really expect a reply but you never know eh? I will keep you posted with any developments.

  H.K.
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  No One Should Be Made to Choose…..LIES from July 09 Awake

  by Hopscotch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the following quote is taken from the article is it wrong to change your religion?

  in the july 2009 awake p29:

  no one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.

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  Hobo Ken

  Here's My email I sent to my brother. It's probably more in the hope that he will be troubled by their blatant hypocrisy rather than resuming his "relationship" with me. Hi Paul,
  
  I do hope you and the family are doing okay.
  Further to my last email I sent you regarding your "shunning" policy towards me, I was stunned when I read the latest Awake! magazine of July 2009. I wonder if you have read it and what do you think of it?
  
  I know that you make it a practice to read the mags when they come out so I hope you will be aware of the content of this issue.
  If not I've taken the liberty of quoting directly from the relevant section of the article below.
  
  Awake July 2009 page 29,
  "Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond (Duet 30 :19,20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he . finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and family. Does the study of the Bible lead to family break-up? No. In fact the Bible encourages a husband and wife who practice different religions to remain together. 1Cor 7:12,13."
  
  Do you see the point this article is making Paul?
  
  This is food from "Jehovah's table" from the "faithful slave" remember you are obligated to listen to it as you would the voice of God.
  
  "God allows people the freedom to choose how to respond". Are you allowing me the God-given right to choose, Paul? "No one should be forced to worship in a way that he . finds unacceptable" Are you and your Witness brothers abiding by this direction from the Governing Body?
  I found it unacceptable to worship in the way I was. Yet you by your actions tried to "force me" to worship in the way YOU find acceptable by testifying against me and having me removed and now shunning me.
  
  "No one should be forced to choose between his beliefs and family."
  
  Do you see the stunning truth of this statement Paul? Have I been "forced" to choose between my beliefs and my family?
  
  The answer is an unequivocal yes. You said that you and your family will have nothing to do with us because "We don't know what you believe anymore" This amazingly was before I was even disfellowshipped!
  So you were prepared to MAKE me choose between my family and JW beliefs and have enforced that position ever since.
  
  The point is this:- is your organisation now saying in public that you practice tolerance to people and DO NOT force people to conform and give them the God-given freedom to choose what to believe without LOSING THEIR FAMILY?
  
  Is there a double standard where you have two weeks of Watchtower studies instructing you how to treat/mistreat disfellowshipped people while the latest Awake! preaches a benign message of freedom and religious tolerance to all?
  
  If this is new light from God then I will happily look forward to our family being reunited since we are a God fearing Christian family who just happen to have different beliefs to you. Should it be a problem Paul ,if you follow the advice from the Governing Body?
  
  If it's not new light and indeed what is purely for public consumption through the pages of the Awake! then I'm afraid the title of the magazine does not apply to you.
  
  
  Warm Christian love,
  Your dear brother,
  Matthew.
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  YOU SHOULD CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!!

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  continuing with the visit from the elders there are some quite amazing things said.. i present the evidence to the elders of the wts use of johannes greber in their publlications.

  listen to how they react...... also listen to how one of the elders compares faults in the wts teachings to the bible itself being flawed.. please go to my website or listen via the link below.

  http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_6.mp3.

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  Hobo Ken

  Continuing with the visit from the elders there are some quite amazing things said.

  I present the evidence to the elders of the WTS use of Johannes Greber in their publlications. Listen to how they react.....

  Also listen to how one of the Elders compares faults in the wts teachings to the Bible itself being flawed.

  Please go to my website or listen via the link below. Also available on itunes.

  http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_6.mp3

  Thanks.

  Hobo Ken
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  How do you feel when you see groups of Jehovah's Witnesses in the ministry?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  regret, anger, frustration?

  how about sadness, sorrow, sympathy, understanding, even compassion!.

  it can be quite confusing at times, especially if some of those witnesses were your friends.

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  >Chalam

  I'm a born again Christian , as I understand you to be too....

  I'm sure you are aware of our Lord's righteous anger when he overturned the money changer's tables at the temple and this was entirely proper.

  He was rightly insensed at the situation.

  I'm not comparing myself to Jesus but pointing out that there are times when Christ and his followers would be angry without it meaning their faith was in some way compromised.

  I don't think I said anything offensive just strongly worded advice and opinion.

  If you check back on my encounters with Reniaa you will notice I've spent many hours reasoning with the scriptures in much the same way as you have done.

  Also worth your consideration is the feeling many people get on this forum that she could be a "troll" , not on here to help but to argue and disrupt.

  There are many threads she has disrupted and even more questions she has left unanswered your own included.

  Thanks for your kind advice Chalam. I enjoy reading your posts very much, keep it up.

  Matt.
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  How do you feel when you see groups of Jehovah's Witnesses in the ministry?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  regret, anger, frustration?

  how about sadness, sorrow, sympathy, understanding, even compassion!.

  it can be quite confusing at times, especially if some of those witnesses were your friends.

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  OUTLAW it shows as you correctly state that she's on a trip here. Not really interested in what the thread is actually about or the suitability of her posting on it.

  Serving her own selfish purposes and gratifying her mind that she has "the truth" by shooting all of her opposers down with her NIV which she deigns to use for our humble selves.

  She cuts from one thread to the next, never really answering any direct questions asked of her , like a junkie looking for their next hit.

  Very sad.
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  I need proof for my wife that NW Translation is not correct

  by Albert Einstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what scriptures would you reccomend, to prove nwt is not reliable?.

  please help, i need a reason for my wife to start reading other translation.

  i want to start chronological reading of nt with her, to show her wtbs is not a mediator for us.. thanks.

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  Hobo Ken

  Reniaa says

  "he may not have experienced death but hebrews confirms he did die"

  Hahahahahaha.......Do you actually READ what you are typing or is it Johannes Greber style free association writing? The wts would defo approve.

  How can you die without EXPERIENCING death?

  Death is an event which the person dying experiences. not just the opposite of being alive.
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  How do you feel when you see groups of Jehovah's Witnesses in the ministry?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  regret, anger, frustration?

  how about sadness, sorrow, sympathy, understanding, even compassion!.

  it can be quite confusing at times, especially if some of those witnesses were your friends.

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  Hobo Ken

  Chalam I've commended you on another thread for your kind patient attitude towards the artist formerly known as Reniaa, But you I assume have never been a JW?

  This is a thread asking people how they feel when they see JWs engage in a ministry which ex members know is deeply flawed in it's message and ultimately destructive to those who have been affected by this cult.

  Reniaa comes on this thread and posts AN EXPERIENCE FROM THE MINISTRY!!!!!!!! like we could care.

  I'm sorry but does this person have no sensitivity?

  It is offensive to me.

  Imagine a forum to help people who had been sexually assaulted. And in the middle of a thread a person posts that they actually quite enjoyed carrying out sexual assaults.

  Crass?

  Insensitive?

  Deeply offensive?

  All of the above?

  Yes.
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  I need proof for my wife that NW Translation is not correct

  by Albert Einstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what scriptures would you reccomend, to prove nwt is not reliable?.

  please help, i need a reason for my wife to start reading other translation.

  i want to start chronological reading of nt with her, to show her wtbs is not a mediator for us.. thanks.

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  Hobo Ken

  Sigh.....
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  THE 2ND VISIT FROM THE ELDERS-----AUDIO RECORDING IS UP ONLINE!!!!!!!!

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the first part of my visit from my brother who is an elder and the p.o.

  of my old congregation.. billed as a shepherding visit for our benefit , it eventually results in both of these elders testifying against me in a judicial committee.. the webpage is called deathorobedience.blogspot.com.

  you can hear all the audio from the first visit also.. the link to the audio is below.. http://media.libsyn.com/media/tartanpodcast/doro_5.mp3.

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  >mkr32208

  Absolutely.

  Matt.